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Eternal Sailor V - Crescent Flash 2 by mishihime Eternal Sailor V - Crescent Flash 2 by mishihime
Looking back at my drawing over the past week... 

Eternal Sailor V - Crescent Flash by mishihime

I decided to use some of the comments you guys left me to make some changes. I hope you like it. Probably the most notable change is the inclusion of Sailor V's goggles.


Credits
Artwork & Fuku design (c) mishihime
Sailor V (c) Naoko Takeuchi
Please do not copy or post my artwork without permission.
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DavisJes Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Nicely done.
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mishihime Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thank you! 
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TanithLipsky Featured By Owner Jun 8, 2013
cool
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geo-girl Featured By Owner Apr 7, 2013  Professional General Artist
This is a great image. I love how you made the clothes still looks like sailor v just a little different! Check out my eternal V [link]
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TheLadyMoon Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2013   Traditional Artist
I had never watch sailor moon but I like your style :3
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mishihime Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thanks. :heart: The Sailor Moon anime is a little outdated and corny sometimes... but the Japanese manga comics have a very deep and beautiful story. You should read them someday.
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TheLadyMoon Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2013   Traditional Artist
Ok :3
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gonzalossj3 Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
i love minako is I like most the sailor senshis
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MoonPrisem Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
What do you mean by "most"? What ones don't you like and why?
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Sugar-Senshi Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2012
It's so shiny! I love it! The colors are great! :D
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KonekoTsukino Featured By Owner May 16, 2012
This looks really good!
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Siroh32 Featured By Owner May 9, 2012
I feel very two-sided about the inclusion of her glasses/goggles/mask/[insert-your-term-here]. This is odd, because I suggested it would've been better had they been included, but I think this is because I'm a bit nitpicky and I tend to get blabbery as well. (Dangerous combination, I know.)

On the one hand, I want to pick apart that it isn't some perfect rendition of the iconic mask Sailor V wore in her original form. Rather than thinking that it's an imperfection of an attempt to replicate them (since not everybody can or chooses to replicate the anime and/or manga styles), I thought that it was a deliberate change. In one way, I still want to see how they originally were (right down to the three pointy ends on each side; yours has two).

On the other hand, you did manage to bring back the mask (goggles/glasses/etc.; is there even a mainstream term? I even used "Goggles" for a while). And even though it is not the same, it is very close. By being very close but not the same, it suggests that it too has become part of the evolution of the outfit while also staying true to what it is, and I like it just as much as the original look of the mask (and the rest of Sailor V's original outfit).

In the end, I'll have to lean positively, not just because I don't want to seem contrarian for the sake of being contrarian, but because you did do wonderful work, even with the mask. I thought the original was both graceful and striking with it's pointy ends, and while you kept it's looks, you managed to lean on the former.

I also managed to notice some other details, like the star on the chest ribbon containing a symbol. In comparing with the previous version, I noticed the compact was more apparent as a solid object, but here it's glowing so brightly.

One thing I've noticed in both versions of your design (but failed to mention before) is how the skirt looks. There's nothing truly wrong with it (so I wouldn't suggest truly changing it, or not changing it that much), but the impression I get from how it looks and expands outward is akin to an umbrella. This is further reinforced with the inner and bottom-most layer of the skirt being transparent (akin to some umbrellas looking that way). Just a bit of a notation.

I know the Eternal Senshi forms are supposed to look a little less like a Japanese school girl uniform, but I thought it was interesting how you chose to take the skirt as opposed to how the others did it. It covers up a bit more, though! (Less chance of an embarrassing moment.) :)

All in all, I like the improvements on your design.
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mishihime Featured By Owner May 9, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thanks for the comments and the note. I'll respond to you here. :3

I never know what to call it either. Really, it's a mask with lenses. I've settled on referring to them as 'goggles' but I'm sure that term isn't entirely correct.

The goggle design is a total compromise so if you have mixed feelings on it, that's okay.

At first I intended to copy the anime's design. It should be no surprised since I am admittedly in love with that 90's Toei animation look. Then I actually looked at the anime goggle design closely. I didn't realise how truely different it was. So simplified and oddly shaped.:|

When I attempted to sketch in the goggles over the existing drawing, just the shape of the mask's eyeholes looked completely disasterous. I understand why they decided on having no eye visibility what so ever, just a white fill. I then tried to see what a white fill would look like in my sketch, but that too looked...BAD.

So then I thought, why not go with the manga design? But the manga eyes tend to be a lot smaller than the anime ones, and this particular drawing was no exception.

I even thought about giving her a new, upgraded mask design to go along with her fuku. A white mask with red trim, but that also looked like crap so I went with classic red. Perhaps I should have included more points though, I have mixed feelings about that actually...

tl;dr Drawing Sailor V's goggles are a real pain in the ass lol, and I get why people would rather draw her holding her mask.Too bad I was too stubborn to settle for that. >_<

It's okay if you don't particularly like the inclusion of the goggles even if you were the one who suggested it because I really have a difficult time drawing them for some odd reason and I probably didn't do a very good job.

Also, I was under the impression that Sailor V's skirt is typically longer than the other senshi so I think that's why I kept it a bit longer than the typical eternal length. Still not sure exactly how long it typically is though.
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Siroh32 Featured By Owner May 9, 2012
Well, as far as the mask goes, I'll leave it up to you. As far as it's there, and as recognizable as "Sailor V's mask" in some way (as it is here, even if a little different), I'm satisfied enough. I just mentioned I was a bit two-sided, but I'd rather not be the one who "you can't win" with, because with your general ideas in the first draft and improvements in this draft, you have. I'm glad the mask is there, and whether she's looking cool in a pose holding it (in a semi-fourth-wall, "Now you know who I am!" kinda way) that many fanarts do (one of which--even if as Eternal Sailorvenus, I technically linked you to in my note), or if she's wearing it (which is usually the case when Naoko draws her), I like it being there because it's aesthetically a part of who Sailor V is.

As far as the length of the skirt goes, I didn't pay so much attention to it. Fan artists really put their own spin on how long or short every Senshi's skirt is, anyway. I've seen an ESV fanart where her skirt was unusually long, which struck my nitpicky nerve (despite being a beautiful drawing). I wouldn't worry too much on the length, at least when it comes to where the skirt expands outward.

If you're going to worry about the length, worry about where the skirt begins and how much of it hugs onto her, since it appears just a bit considerable. (I guess you were trying to keep the aesthetics of the original skirt, but give it that "Eternal" feel of it expanding so very outward in comparison to the simpler and possibly more modest ones, including Sailor V's.)

Maybe lower where the skirt begins by a bit? On the other hand, it could possibly ruin the aesthetics of the borders coming down diagonally not being just above where the skirt begins. (Are they somehow connected at the rear?)

In any case, the skirt in general wasn't noteworthy enough for me initially, and the length (and where it began) wasn't until you brought up it's length. In the end, what I'm sure about is that where the skirt starts could have some effect on the aesthetics of what's above the skirt on your design (such as the blue borders with the red stripe, for instance).

The only notation of the skirt was how "umbrella-like" the structure of it look as it expanded outward, and I think the ends of the skirt (combined with it's simple-yet-appealing colors) make it look that way. Again, I wouldn't call that a real problem at all. Overall, there may be some quirks if you want to look at it, but it's great overall as it is; rather than being the shorter, frillier "Eternal Senshi" skirt, it is still rather nice and simple while trying to somehow mimic it in a couple of ways (such as how it expands outward there). Keep the simplicity of it's looks, colors, and basic structure (whether unintended umbrella or intended schoolgirl-esque), and I'm sure you'll be fine.

If you should truly revise something from this version, I still think the ball-like sleeves should be a solid white color. While I had gone on about how Sailor V's color scheme isn't as sleek as the others, at the same time, making the sleeves more as a callback to (at least the color of) her shoulder armor. Whether you make them transparent (as Naoko has on a couple of her artbook drawings) or solid (as she mainly has them drawn to be) is up to you. I think it would go better with the overall aesthetics of being both striking with it's colors (and how they're presented) while being the "sleeker" Eternal form it's supposed to be. I think if you made this change, it won't take away much from the uniqueness...

...But at the same time, they are sleeves, not protective armor, and unless you saw the brief appearances in the anime (including episode 42) or Naoko's sole artwork conforming to that version's design, Sailor V did have sleeves with the shirt she wore under her protective armor, and the shirt was that white/red pattern that the sleeves you have are calling back to.

Ultimately, what you choose to change and keep are your choices, but note that you have done a remarkable job in making an "Eternal Sailor V" work to be both an "Eternal Senshi" uniform but one that's her unique own. That's what I like best about it, and it works well.
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g-girl1 Featured By Owner May 9, 2012  Student
Awesome <3
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Water-Spryte Featured By Owner May 8, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
this is really great. l love the redesign.
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mishihime Featured By Owner May 9, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thanks.
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Water-Spryte Featured By Owner May 9, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
yep.:)
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SuperShadow781 Featured By Owner May 8, 2012  Student Filmographer
People just forget that Sailor V is the one that started the Sailor Moon series. Kinda ridiculous, really.
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mishihime Featured By Owner May 9, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yeahhhh but i can't always blame them. I mean, there's no anime of the series and I don't think the manga was published everywhere like Sailor Moon was. Sailor V isn't that popular I guess.
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SuperShadow781 Featured By Owner May 10, 2012  Student Filmographer
You do have a point
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clmiyazaki Featured By Owner May 8, 2012
Sailor V! I love it! There is definitely not enough sailor V art out there!
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mishihime Featured By Owner May 8, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I know. >_< I've hardly seen any fanart for her, compared to sailor moon. And I've never seen anyone try an eternal form for her. A shame really..

Thanks for the comment. : )
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clmiyazaki Featured By Owner May 10, 2012
I've never even thought about an Eternal Sailor V! No one ever thinks about it because she turned into Sailor Venus and everyone forgot about sailor v :(. Eternal Sailor V is really creative!!
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Madmangamer364 Featured By Owner May 8, 2012
I'm just going to say it; this is better. Not to say that the first version was bad by any means (it wasn't), but this one definitely has more impact as a whole. I found that the angle you went with here made the image more dynamic, even though the pose is pretty much the same. The attack itself has also been given a lot more life this time around, while having a better sense of clarity.

Overall, you've kept all of the qualities of the first piece intact, while still making the right moves with the refinements. Again, kudos to you for just having the determination to take a closer look and working on things. Great work once again!

On a side note, I'd like to take a moment to apologize for part of my last comment. Even though I truly didn't mean anything negative in regards to that "Sailor Moon Imposter" bit, and it had NOTHING to do with your design, looking at ~Siroh32's comment about it still does make it seem like something that was out of place. Therefore, if you or anyone else took offense to it, you have my sincere apologize for my questionable choice of wording there...
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mishihime Featured By Owner May 8, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Awwwww Don't worry about that. I'm a big sailor moon fan, but I don't take comments about the series personally. Generally, It's really hard to offend me. You might have struck a nerve with siroh though ^^; although I can't really speak for him. Oh well, it's not that big a deal. :3

Thanks for your comments again. I think i've made some progress this time, even though I didn't really redraw the picture.
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Madmangamer364 Featured By Owner May 8, 2012
Thanks for understanding. The last thing I'd want to do is have one of my comments spark a big argument or something like that. Granted we are talking about the internet, but even so, I do try to respect the feelings of other allthesame. Like I said, probably not the ideal choice of words there, but I'll move on now.

Progress is progress, regardless of how it's made. The fact that you were willing to work on a piece again is just as meaningful as doing something new in my book, especially since it's not always easy to find the motivation to do so.
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Siroh32 Featured By Owner May 9, 2012
Well, I did note that--at the end--I might've misunderstood something. Maybe I didn't and the issue is that a bit or two of your two cents struck a chord with me, and I felt the need to provide a bit of a contrary opinion before I posted my two cents of the piece myself.

But note that--whether you like the aesthetics of her outfit or are bothered by a couple of aspects of it, or simply believe the initial drawing we commented on was an improvement upon in your tastes, or had something else in your mind entirely--that I never took it as some hostile comment towards it meant for offending. You were just giving your honest two cents, and I get that.

What I should've kept foremost in my mind was the impression you gave of someone who wasn't a fan, but was becoming interested nonetheless. For example, while you were impressed with the footwear and shoulders of the first draft, I took it as a given of being a necessity to also conform to the general aesthetics of the "Eternal Senshi" outfits from the manga.

Mishi intended this to be Minako still as Sailor V, but growing greater in power as Sailor V to "Eternal form" (rather than going from Sailor V to awakening as Sailorvenus, as was done in the manga). But what she did was; instead of just simply grabbing the primary colors and a couple of accessories from Sailor V and slapping it onto the default Eternal Senshi outfit, she gave it her own spin to give the impression it was Sailor V evolving into this Eternal form.

As I mentioned, Sailor V's outfit was basically recognizable as a Sailor Senshi, but (since she was the "prototype Senshi" in the real world) she had more of an individuality to her outfit than she did when she awakened as Sailorvenus (and became part of that Sentai-esque magical girl team, which is why they're all so similar in the first place). That's why Sailor V's outfit is more of a multiple-piece outfit, from shirt/skirt, to protective chest/shoulder armor, to mask (though Sailormoon initially had one in the manga, but she tossed it away). It may not be the sleekest, most graceful design in comparison to the streamlined leotard outfit, but I found it to pop out more with the use of it's colors and accessories. It's just more striking to me, that way.

It's all just a matter of perceptions and tastes, though. *shrug* I don't know if we're actually agreeable or disagreeable on any of it (since we only know each other by the comments of these two DA entries), but if it's the latter, I'm all in favor of agreeing to disagree over a flame war any day. (Even if I do go a bit overboard in reaction and in volume of text.)
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Madmangamer364 Featured By Owner May 9, 2012
*replies via note out of respect to ~mishi-unloved and her submission*
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MCMXC2 Featured By Owner May 8, 2012  Hobbyist Filmographer
BEAUTIFUL! <3
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mishihime Featured By Owner May 8, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thank youuuuu :heart:
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MCMXC2 Featured By Owner May 8, 2012  Hobbyist Filmographer
:)
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