Looking back at my drawing over the past week [link] has caused me to really dislike it, so I decided to use some of the comments you guys left me to make some changes. I hope you like it. Probably the most notable change is the inclusion of Sailor V's goggles.
I think one of my strengths as an artist, is glowy cool lighting effects. Although, i'm not the best in the placement or accuracy of light and shadow, a lot of my pieces have some neat magical glow. Sailor V's compact looks like it's really about to perform a Crescent beam attack, don't you think?
~mishi-unloved - Sailor V eternal fuku design Naoko Takeuchi - Character design (Aino Minako / Sailor V) Codename: Sailor V manga copyright Kodansha
I feel very two-sided about the inclusion of her glasses/goggles/mask/[insert-your-term-here]. This is odd, because I suggested it would've been better had they been included, but I think this is because I'm a bit nitpicky and I tend to get blabbery as well. (Dangerous combination, I know.)
On the one hand, I want to pick apart that it isn't some perfect rendition of the iconic mask Sailor V wore in her original form. Rather than thinking that it's an imperfection of an attempt to replicate them (since not everybody can or chooses to replicate the anime and/or manga styles), I thought that it was a deliberate change. In one way, I still want to see how they originally were (right down to the three pointy ends on each side; yours has two).
On the other hand, you did manage to bring back the mask (goggles/glasses/etc.; is there even a mainstream term? I even used "Goggles" for a while). And even though it is not the same, it is very close. By being very close but not the same, it suggests that it too has become part of the evolution of the outfit while also staying true to what it is, and I like it just as much as the original look of the mask (and the rest of Sailor V's original outfit).
In the end, I'll have to lean positively, not just because I don't want to seem contrarian for the sake of being contrarian, but because you did do wonderful work, even with the mask. I thought the original was both graceful and striking with it's pointy ends, and while you kept it's looks, you managed to lean on the former.
I also managed to notice some other details, like the star on the chest ribbon containing a symbol. In comparing with the previous version, I noticed the compact was more apparent as a solid object, but here it's glowing so brightly.
One thing I've noticed in both versions of your design (but failed to mention before) is how the skirt looks. There's nothing truly wrong with it (so I wouldn't suggest truly changing it, or not changing it that much), but the impression I get from how it looks and expands outward is akin to an umbrella. This is further reinforced with the inner and bottom-most layer of the skirt being transparent (akin to some umbrellas looking that way). Just a bit of a notation.
I know the Eternal Senshi forms are supposed to look a little less like a Japanese school girl uniform, but I thought it was interesting how you chose to take the skirt as opposed to how the others did it. It covers up a bit more, though! (Less chance of an embarrassing moment.)
All in all, I like the improvements on your design.
Thanks for the comments and the note. I'll respond to you here. :3
I never know what to call it either. Really, it's a mask with lenses. I've settled on referring to them as 'goggles' but I'm sure that term isn't entirely correct.
The goggle design is a total compromise so if you have mixed feelings on it, that's okay.
At first I intended to copy the anime's design. It should be no surprised since I am admittedly in love with that 90's Toei animation look. Then I actually looked at the anime goggle design closely. I didn't realise how truely different it was. So simplified and oddly shaped.
When I attempted to sketch in the goggles over the existing drawing, just the shape of the mask's eyeholes looked completely disasterous. I understand why they decided on having no eye visibility what so ever, just a white fill. I then tried to see what a white fill would look like in my sketch, but that too looked...BAD.
So then I thought, why not go with the manga design? But the manga eyes tend to be a lot smaller than the anime ones, and this particular drawing was no exception.
I even thought about giving her a new, upgraded mask design to go along with her fuku. A white mask with red trim, but that also looked like crap so I went with classic red. Perhaps I should have included more points though, I have mixed feelings about that actually...
tl;dr Drawing Sailor V's goggles are a real pain in the ass lol, and I get why people would rather draw her holding her mask.Too bad I was too stubborn to settle for that. >_<
It's okay if you don't particularly like the inclusion of the goggles even if you were the one who suggested it because I really have a difficult time drawing them for some odd reason and I probably didn't do a very good job.
Also, I was under the impression that Sailor V's skirt is typically longer than the other senshi so I think that's why I kept it a bit longer than the typical eternal length. Still not sure exactly how long it typically is though.
Well, as far as the mask goes, I'll leave it up to you. As far as it's there, and as recognizable as "Sailor V's mask" in some way (as it is here, even if a little different), I'm satisfied enough. I just mentioned I was a bit two-sided, but I'd rather not be the one who "you can't win" with, because with your general ideas in the first draft and improvements in this draft, you have. I'm glad the mask is there, and whether she's looking cool in a pose holding it (in a semi-fourth-wall, "Now you know who I am!" kinda way) that many fanarts do (one of which--even if as Eternal Sailorvenus, I technically linked you to in my note), or if she's wearing it (which is usually the case when Naoko draws her), I like it being there because it's aesthetically a part of who Sailor V is.
As far as the length of the skirt goes, I didn't pay so much attention to it. Fan artists really put their own spin on how long or short every Senshi's skirt is, anyway. I've seen an ESV fanart where her skirt was unusually long, which struck my nitpicky nerve (despite being a beautiful drawing). I wouldn't worry too much on the length, at least when it comes to where the skirt expands outward.
If you're going to worry about the length, worry about where the skirt begins and how much of it hugs onto her, since it appears just a bit considerable. (I guess you were trying to keep the aesthetics of the original skirt, but give it that "Eternal" feel of it expanding so very outward in comparison to the simpler and possibly more modest ones, including Sailor V's.)
Maybe lower where the skirt begins by a bit? On the other hand, it could possibly ruin the aesthetics of the borders coming down diagonally not being just above where the skirt begins. (Are they somehow connected at the rear?)
In any case, the skirt in general wasn't noteworthy enough for me initially, and the length (and where it began) wasn't until you brought up it's length. In the end, what I'm sure about is that where the skirt starts could have some effect on the aesthetics of what's above the skirt on your design (such as the blue borders with the red stripe, for instance).
The only notation of the skirt was how "umbrella-like" the structure of it look as it expanded outward, and I think the ends of the skirt (combined with it's simple-yet-appealing colors) make it look that way. Again, I wouldn't call that a real problem at all. Overall, there may be some quirks if you want to look at it, but it's great overall as it is; rather than being the shorter, frillier "Eternal Senshi" skirt, it is still rather nice and simple while trying to somehow mimic it in a couple of ways (such as how it expands outward there). Keep the simplicity of it's looks, colors, and basic structure (whether unintended umbrella or intended schoolgirl-esque), and I'm sure you'll be fine.
If you should truly revise something from this version, I still think the ball-like sleeves should be a solid white color. While I had gone on about how Sailor V's color scheme isn't as sleek as the others, at the same time, making the sleeves more as a callback to (at least the color of) her shoulder armor. Whether you make them transparent (as Naoko has on a couple of her artbook drawings) or solid (as she mainly has them drawn to be) is up to you. I think it would go better with the overall aesthetics of being both striking with it's colors (and how they're presented) while being the "sleeker" Eternal form it's supposed to be. I think if you made this change, it won't take away much from the uniqueness...
...But at the same time, they are sleeves, not protective armor, and unless you saw the brief appearances in the anime (including episode 42) or Naoko's sole artwork conforming to that version's design, Sailor V did have sleeves with the shirt she wore under her protective armor, and the shirt was that white/red pattern that the sleeves you have are calling back to.
Ultimately, what you choose to change and keep are your choices, but note that you have done a remarkable job in making an "Eternal Sailor V" work to be both an "Eternal Senshi" uniform but one that's her unique own. That's what I like best about it, and it works well.
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